Thursday, December 28, 2023

WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT OTK

Many vintage Soviet valves have obscure OTK symbols on them. Sometimes these symbols are in blue or green paint, less often red or silver paint is used. Sometimes, but not always, after the letters OTK are numbers 5, 7,9, 11, 71 or others.

Sellers of valves on Ebay take advantage of the lack of information from Western buyers and call OTK valves military and on this basis increase the selling price.

But is it true? Let's look into it.

Abbreviation OTK is translated from Russian into English as "Technical Control Department".





A valve that passed quality control was labeled OTK. Very often, to save time, a single inscription could be applied to a paper label inside the package in the honeycomb box. If the valve was delivered in an individual paper box, the stamp could be placed on the cardboard box and not on the valve cylinder.


Valves labeled OTK approximate the Western standard of Industrial Grade. Immediately after quality control, 99.9% of such valves were good functional. However, these valves were not tested according to military standards and we can only speak about the average quality of such valves. The quality of valves without OTK and with OTK was approximately the same until the mid-80s. But after the beginning of Gorbachev's perestroika at the end of the 80's the quality of the valves fell and the quality of OTK-printed valves became much higher than the quality regular valves. 


For military purposes in the USSR used valves passed the control of the military department.  Such valves were stamped OTK-5, which corresponds to the military “5 acceptance (standart)” in the USSR. These valves are much better than the OTK stamped valves and undoubtedly indicate the original military purpose of the valves.





After a valve from the manufacturer's factory with OTK-5 stamp was delivered to a military hardware factory, an incoming quality control was performed.

Such valves were stamped with a diamond-shaped stamp with a small inscription ВП (russian) and an asterisk.

Of course, not all "military" valves have such a rhombus, but the presence of a rhombus indicates a high level of testing valves.





If a military valve came to the warehouse of a military plant but was not used immediately or during the first year of storage, after a few years such valves were additionally tested and stamped with the date (in Russian, ПЕРЕВЕРЕН).





Very often for military purposes were used special varieties of valves, which were forbidden in the USSR to use in household equipment. Such valves were labeled after the name with the symbol B, E, DR. In 1970, the USSR state standard came out, which replaced the symbols B or E with the symbol EV. But while valves with the symbol B or E indicate a purebred military origin, valves with symbols EV were used for military equipment and for responsible industrial equipment.

Also, tubes with the DR index after the name were almost always used in military equipment. In the USSR there was a legal ban on the use of tubes with gold leads in civilian industry and household equipment.


But testing of valves according to military standards (OTK-5) did not satisfy the space and nuclear industry of the USSR.

Therefore, for the space industry, testing according to military acceptance standards OTK-9 was used. There is a difference in the quality of OTK-9 valves compared to OTK-5 valves.

Among the valves with OTK-9 symbols there are a lot of valves with 100-200 operating hours of anodic voltage pre-aging. Such valves have dark or mirror spots inside the cylinder and can be mistaken for used valves. This is especially noticeable for 6E5P, 6J5p, 6n6p, 5C4s, and other valves


For special purposes, for example for the use of valves in naval equipment, a special OTK mark was placed together with the ship's anchor symbol.


For the nuclear/power industry, the USSR produced special analogs of octal tubes.   (with different tube names).

So the analog of the 6p6s valve was the 1515 valve (in a transparent cylinder!)

So the analog of 6n9s was tube 1579.

For the tube 6n8s was produced analog tube 1578  

Note: the peculiarity of the valve 1578 was in the maximum symmetry of triodes, minimum microphone effect, smaller Ua max = 275V and smaller Pa max = 1,5W.

The same differences between conventional and nuclear tube modifications existed for all tube types.


OTK 7, 11, 71, 90.... stamps were put on tubes that had been tested in accordance with the requirements of a military industry, such as the Navy Submarine Fleet or the Air Force. But I don't know the names of branch customers and numbering after OTK symbols (7, 11, 71, 90 others), but undoubtedly these valves have better quality factory execution and tested according to more complex programs.

 







If you have any questions for me, please post in the comments. I will be happy to answer you.


Very often tubes for military equipment were painted with a bold dot on the cylinder head or painted with red or yellow paint on the top point (tip) of the cylinder rather than stamped OTK. This was done if the tubes were packed in honeycomb packaging.







The USSR produced dampers in tropical version intended for operation in friendly countries of Africa (Angola), Cuba, Asia (Vietnam, Korea, China, Bangladesh). Octal valves for tropical version always had brown color of carbolite base.








In 1967, the USSR began to use the "Quality Mark of the USSR". Tubes labeled with this mark met the highest standards of the USSR, but it is not necessarily the case that these tubes had a military purpose. In most cases, the "USSR Quality Mark" was put on products for household and industrial purposes.










In addition to the types of OTK I mentioned, there were several types of symbols and badges that indicate special types of military-technical quality control. But such tubes are not so common on Ebay, so I will not dwell on it in the blog. If you want to know about your tube with unclear seals on the cylinder, then write me in the comments and send me a photo. I will do my best to answer your question.






Very often I am asked a question about the difference in the sound of tubes with military marks. Indeed for some types of tubes such difference was noticed by me (for example for pentodes 6J9p-e, 6J49p-DR, 6n2p-V). But very often I can not distinguish the sound of "military" and "civilian" tubes. In the USSR there were factories that produced mainly military products, for example SVETLANA factory. But in the 80's there was a state ban on the use of gold and rare earth materials for tube grids and the sound quality of tubes from different factories became approximately the same.


I am sure that the main difference between tubes with OTK and tubes without OTK is reliability and durability, not the difference in sound.


In the last years of the USSR, it was very common for military warehouses to store tubes in bulk, because in the 1980s, tube production had all but stopped, and warehouses did not have enough space to store tubes in their factory packages.

If you see a tube with a shallow scratch on the glass, it was often stored in a crate in a warehouse for decades and this may indirectly indicate the industrial or military origin of the tube.


You can always buy a variety of tubes in my Ebay store. About 30% of the tubes sold in my store have OTK stamp:


https://www.ebay.com/str/kievchurchshop


I also mark tubes that have passed a particularly careful inspection with my own red labels.


If you want to get tubes that have been especially carefully inspected, please let me know in the comments of your order.












Tuesday, December 26, 2023

SMALL ex USSR PENTODES FOR GREAT SOUND


The USSR produced several types of small 7 pin pentodes that provide excellent results when used in high quality audio amplifiers.

In the west, engineers know very little about these valves and many people find it hard to believe that a 10 cent valve can sound better than an ECC 81, 82, 83, 85. It seems unbelievable but it is true. 



It is often mistakenly believed that 6J1P (6Ж1П) is a full analog of EF95 / 6F32 / 6AK5 and 6J2P (6Ж2П) is an analog of 6AS6/ 5725/ 6F36 but it is not quite true. Really Soviet vintage valves are very similar in parameters to western analogs but Soviet valves are very different in sound!

The next surprise is the longevity of 6J1P (6J2P). I know of cases when 6J1P (6J2P) worked in devices 10-15 years daily and did not change its electrical parameters during this time. But don't forget that if you use vintage valves that have never been in operation before, the vacuum inside the cylinder will be restored only after several hours or even days. And only then the electrical parameters of the valve will stabilize and you will be able to hear a sound that will surely please you.

But all the information that will be written below refers only to vintage valves from the USSR and has nothing to do with modern Chinese 6J1 valves. 


These little 6J1P and 6J2P valves are very similar, but the 6J2P has a thicker 3-grid and the lead of the third grid (pin 7) is not connected to the cathode (pin 2 )

In order for you to use these valves in the same socket connect pins 2 and 7 to each other on the socket or PCB.


For high quality amplification, the 6J1P (6J2P) pentodes are used in triode mode.

Optimal modes to achieve good excellent linear sound for triode mode were suggested by engineer Manakov.

(see below) 


TYPICAL OPTIMAL MODE 1


U=250V, Ra=47kOhm, Rk=620 Ohm, Uin=~1V. Harmonics =0,7-1%


    6J1P 6J2P      

    Ua=85V Ua=94V       

    Uk=2V Uk=1,95V  

    Uout=27V Uout=26V  


TYPICAL OPTIMAL MODE 2


 U=250V, Ra=12kOhm, Rk=220 Ohm, Uin=~1V. Harmonics =0,25-0,4%


    6J1P 6J2P      

    Ua=126V Ua=139V   

    Uk=2,2V Uk=2V     

    Uout=23V Uout=21V  




According to many listeners the sound signature of 6J1P (6J2P) is noticeably superior to 6n8s (6SN7).

But do not forget that the plate voltage limit for these pentodes is limited to 200 volts, and for 6J1P-EV (6J2P-EV) the plate voltage limit is no more than 120V, which is much lower than the plate voltage limit of 6n8s (6SN7).


Another unusual feature of the 6J1P (6J2P) is the ability to operate at low anode voltage.

I have put a few typical low anode voltage circuits below. 

Low plate voltage is very useful if you are stating an amplifier using the Loftin White circuit (no interstage capacitors)I post an example of such a circuit below. 














These pentodes amplify the sound already at anode voltages of 12 volts and higher. Of course you will not get as high linearity as in typical (optimal) modes of use, but sometimes it is very convenient to use low anode voltage. For example, if you have a solid-state amplifier and want to have a vacuum valve pre-stage.








Also 6J1P (6J2P) are perfectly applicable in Long Tail pair splitter as a current source with low voltage drop.

Using a current source in such a Long Tail splitter allows you to further linearize the splitter and use the similar anode resistors in the splitter valves.



The 6J1P (6J2P) valves were also available with additional letters at the end of the name. (B, EV, E).

Here's what these additions mean:

B - valves of increased reliability and mechanical strength

E - valves of increased durability with a guaranteed service life of more than 5000 hours.

EV - valves with increased reliability, mechanical strength and durability.









Valves with indices at the end of the name were used only in industrial equipment of high reliability or military equipment.

It is also well known that the sound signature of valves with indexes (B, EB, E) differs for the better from the sound signature of valves without indexes.


6J1P (6J2P) were produced by several factories in the USSR.


I know the valves produced by MELZ, Svetlana, Novosibirsk and Voskhod plants.

Svetlana valves have a different design of the getter holder in the form of a ring.

The character of the sound of valves of different manufacturers also differs from each other. Valves of any manufacturer produced before the mid-70s sound "juicier" and "cleaner" than valves produced during Gorbachev's Perestroika period of the late 80s.


You can always buy 6J1P 6J2P 6J1P-EV 6J2P-EV from my Ebay store.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174211118228


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174982871021


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174884094988


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174624392247


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174418657695


https://www.ebay.com/itm/175438387601


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174249578944









Lots with a different number of valves are available upon request.

Please read the lot descriptions carefully before ordering and if you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me.


If you would like more information on these valves, please write in the blog comments.


At the end of this text, I am attaching datasheets for the 6J1P (6J2P) valves.