Thursday, April 16, 2026

6s33s - beautiful sound from an unexpected radio tube

 

The 6S33S and 6S18S Soviet Regulator Triodes in High-Quality Hi-Fi Amplifiers

A Practical Engineering Guide

By an experienced practitioner of Soviet tube audio


Introduction

Few vacuum tubes have generated as much controversy, admiration, and frustration among audio engineers as the Soviet 6S33S (6С33С) and its close relative, the 6S18S (6С18С). Originally designed as regulator triodes for military avionics power supply stabilisers — not for audio at all — these tubes were nonetheless "discovered" by the DIY audio community in the late Soviet era, and have since earned a permanent if contentious place in the high-end tube amplifier world.

This article summarises the accumulated practical experience of many engineers who have worked extensively with these tubes in audio applications. The goal is not to promote the 6S33S as the ultimate output tube — it is not — but to provide a clear, honest engineering guide to getting the best possible results when using it.


1. Tube Characteristics: What You Are Actually Working With

1.1 Basic Parameters

The 6S33S is an indirectly heated triode. Its key parameters are:

Parameter Value
Heater voltage 6.3 V (filaments in series) or 12.6 V (parallel)
Heater current 3.6 A (series) / 7.2 A (parallel)
Maximum anode dissipation 60 W
Maximum anode voltage 300 V
Typical transconductance (Gm) ~35–40 mA/V
Typical internal resistance (Ri) ~100–160 Ω
Amplification factor (μ) ~4–6

The 6S18S is structurally a dual 6S33S in a single envelope — both triodes share a common envelope but have separate filaments. When both systems are used in parallel, it effectively doubles the current capacity.

1.2 Internal Construction

An important and often overlooked detail: the 6S33S contains two triode systems internally connected in parallel at the factory — anodes, cathodes, and grids are all tied together, but the two filament sections remain separate. This gives the designer the option of powering only one filament section, operating the tube in a significantly reduced thermal regime. Several experienced constructors have exploited this approach to extend tube life and reduce thermal stress at the expense of somewhat reduced output capability.




1.3 Why the Tube Is Thermally Unstable

The combination of high transconductance and high idle current makes the 6S33S prone to thermal runaway under certain biasing conditions. As the tube heats up, cathode emission increases, driving the anode current higher, which increases dissipation, which raises temperature further. This positive feedback loop can destroy the tube if the bias circuit does not compensate automatically.

Additionally, grid material quality varies significantly between production batches and manufacturing periods. Military-specification tubes produced at the Svetlana plant (Leningrad) before the mid-1970s used gold-plated grids, which have a high work function and resist secondary emission even at elevated temperatures. Later civilian production frequently used nickel-plated grids, which are significantly more susceptible to grid emission and latch-up under overdrive conditions. This distinction is not cosmetic — it is a fundamental difference in reliability.

Recommendation: For serious audio use, seek out pre-1975 Svetlana production, preferably with military acceptance marks (triangle stamps). These are identifiable by the gold-coloured grid visible through the glass envelope.





2. The Biasing Problem — The Most Critical Design Decision

2.1 Why Fixed Bias Is Problematic

Many designers are initially tempted by fixed (grid) bias because it avoids the power dissipation of cathode resistors and can theoretically yield lower output impedance. With the 6S33S, fixed bias is strongly inadvisable unless specific protective measures are incorporated.

The reason is straightforward: the tube's operating point drifts significantly during warm-up (which can take 30–60 minutes to fully stabilise) and continues to shift slowly with ambient temperature, supply voltage fluctuations, and tube ageing. A fixed bias set correctly at steady state will be severely misapplied during warm-up, potentially driving the tube into destructive dissipation.

2.2 Cathode (Auto) Bias

The most reliable approach for the 6S33S is cathode resistor bias (automatic bias). A suitably rated cathode resistor, bypassed with a large-value electrolytic capacitor (typically 1000–2200 µF), provides inherent negative feedback against thermal drift: as the anode current rises, the cathode voltage rises, reducing the grid-cathode voltage and pulling the operating point back.

The primary disadvantage is heat. At 200 mA idle current and a typical cathode voltage of 80–100 V, the cathode resistor dissipates 16–20 W. A wirewound resistor of adequate rating (50 W minimum recommended) must be mounted with care — outside the main chassis if possible, or with direct contact to the chassis metalwork for heat sinking.

Practical note from experienced constructors: Ceramic tube sockets are not optional with the 6S33S — they are mandatory. The tube body reaches 250–300°C in normal operation. Phenolic or plastic sockets will be destroyed.

2.3 Combined Bias (Torres / Burtcev Approach)

A refinement developed and popularised by several Russian constructors (notably described by Torres) uses a combination of a moderate fixed negative bias voltage and a small cathode resistor. The fixed component sets the approximate operating region, while the cathode component provides thermal self-regulation. This approach reduces cathode resistor dissipation compared to pure auto-bias while maintaining stability. The "auto-fix" (автофикс) scheme in Russian audio literature refers to this topology — the cathode resistor dissipates roughly one-third the power compared to pure auto-bias for the same operating point.

2.4 Recommended Operating Points

Based on accumulated practical experience, the operating point most consistently recommended for single-ended Class A audio use is:

  • Ua = 200–210 V, Ia = 180–220 mA (anode dissipation: ~36–46 W, well within the 60 W limit)

This regime is deliberately conservative relative to maximum ratings. The tube is run at roughly 65–75% of its maximum dissipation. The sonic penalty compared to pushing the tube harder is minimal, while tube longevity improves substantially. Constructors who have run the 6S33S at Ua = 250–260 V and Ia = 200–220 mA report acceptable results but significantly shorter tube life, particularly with non-military production.

A frequently quoted regime from Vladimir Starodubtsev (one of the most experienced Soviet-era audio engineers who worked extensively with this tube) is Ua = 200 V, Ia = 200 mA as the optimal balance point.


3. The Driver Stage — The Most Sonically Critical Component

3.1 The Challenge

The 6S33S presents an extremely low grid impedance and requires substantial voltage swing to be driven into useful output power. With μ ≈ 5 and the operating points above, the peak grid swing required for full output is approximately 60–80 V. Few small-signal tubes can deliver this swing into a low-impedance load without current limiting or distortion.

Furthermore, the driver must have sufficiently low output impedance to drive the capacitive and resistive grid circuit of the 6S33S without phase shift at high audio frequencies. High output impedance in the driver translates directly to HF rolloff and poor transient response.

3.2 Tube Options Evaluated by Practitioners

Over decades of experimentation, the audio community has evaluated numerous driver candidates. A summary of accumulated experience:

6E5P (6Э5П) in tetrode/screen-drive mode — Widely considered the best-performing driver for the 6S33S by constructors following Manakov's original recommendation. In tetrode connection, Ri ≈ 8 kΩ, Gm ≈ 30 mA/V, gain ≈ 200. In triode connection, Ri ≈ 1.2 kΩ, gain ≈ 35. The tetrode mode offers exceptional drive capability with sufficient gain for a two-stage amplifier (no preamplifier needed). The triode mode offers lower distortion. Both have been used successfully. This tube was specifically "discovered" for audio applications by A. I. Manakov and has since been widely adopted.

6Zh52P (6Ж52П) — A high-transconductance pentode capable of gain ~48 in audio applications. Low internal resistance when loaded appropriately. Requires careful selection for low microphonics, as the physical construction makes it susceptible to vibration pickup. Used successfully by several constructors with good results.

6S45P (6С45П) — A  triode with Ri ≈ 500 Ω and Gm ≈ 40 mA/V, operating typically at 25 mA. Excellent linearity, low output impedance. Requires careful filament supply design (DC or elevated AC with artificial centre point) to avoid hum. Preferred by some constructors for its sonic character.

EL34 / 6P3S-E in triode mode — Medium-performance driver option. Adequate gain and swing, but the sonic character divides opinion. Some constructors find the sound too "coloured."

6N6P, 6N1P, 6N23P (double triodes) — Generally insufficient drive current for demanding loads without paralleling sections, and gain is marginal for a two-stage topology. Usable but not optimal.

6S4C (2A3 equivalent) — Has been tried and produces acceptable results, but the combination of two directly heated triodes (driver and output) significantly complicates the power supply.

3.3 Driver Power Supply

The driver stage must have its own separate power supply rail, isolated from the output stage supply. Cross-coupling of supply rails allows output stage current pulses to modulate the driver supply, introducing intermodulation. A typical driver supply is 300–330 V, with a well-filtered LC or RC stage.


4. The Output Transformer

4.1 Primary Impedance

Given the internal resistance of ~150 Ω at the recommended operating point, the optimal transformer primary impedance (Ra) for maximum power transfer from a triode stage is approximately 2× Ri = 300–500 Ω. In practice, values of 400–600 Ω primary impedance are standard for SE configurations, with 4 Ω or 8 Ω secondary.

With Ra ≈ 500 Ω, Ua = 200 V, Ia = 200 mA, the theoretical maximum single-ended Class A output power is approximately 8–12 W at the onset of clipping. Practical usable power (at low distortion) is typically 6–8 W — sufficient to drive sensitive loudspeakers (92+ dB/W/m) to reference listening levels in domestic spaces.

4.2 DC Bias Current and Core Gap

The output transformer core must accommodate the full DC bias current of 180–220 mA without saturation. This requires a substantial air gap in the core laminations. The gap reduces effective permeability and lowers inductance, which in turn limits low-frequency extension. The designer must balance gap size (for adequate DC tolerance) against primary inductance (for bass response).

For adequate bass extension to 20 Hz with a 500 Ω primary, a primary inductance of at least 30–40 H at 200 mA DC is required. This demands a high-quality core material (grain-oriented silicon steel or amorphous material) and careful interleaving of primary and secondary windings to minimise leakage inductance.

A toroidal core geometry offers advantages in this application: lower leakage inductance, lower stray field radiation, and better coupling — but requires specialised winding equipment to introduce the air gap correctly.

Practical recommendation: Do not economise on the output transformer. A poorly designed transformer will limit the performance of even an otherwise excellent amplifier. The output transformer is where most of the sonic character of a tube amplifier is determined.


5. The Power Supply

5.1 Heater Supply

The heater current demand of the 6S33S is severe: 3.6 A per tube in series connection (6.3 V), or 7.2 A in parallel (12.6 V). For a stereo amplifier with two output tubes, this represents 7.2 A or 14.4 A respectively, before driver and auxiliary requirements.

AC heater supply is acceptable and commonly used — the large thermal mass of the tube effectively filters ripple, and the cathode is not directly heated. A DC bias on the heater winding (typically +30 V relative to cathode) is strongly recommended to keep heater-cathode voltage within specification and reduce hum modulation from heater-cathode coupling.

5.2 Anode Supply

The anode supply must be capable of sustained delivery of the full idle current plus signal peaks. For a two-channel amplifier with two 6S33S output tubes at 200 mA each, this is 400 mA DC continuous from the output stage alone. A well-regulated supply or at minimum a high-capacitance filtered supply with an adequate choke (minimum 10–15 H at the required current) is essential.

A start-up delay circuit (minimum 30–60 seconds) to allow cathode temperature to stabilise before applying anode voltage is strongly recommended. This prevents cold-cathode stress and reduces the risk of thermal runaway during warm-up. A relay-controlled delay with a time constant of RC = 60 s is a simple and reliable solution.

5.3 Separate Supplies per Channel

For stereo amplification, dedicated anode supply filtering per channel is highly recommended. Common-impedance coupling between channels through a shared supply allows crosstalk and degrades channel separation, particularly in the bass register.


6. The 6S18S as an Alternative

The 6S18S is structurally two complete 6S33S triode systems in a single larger envelope, with two independent heater circuits. Maximum anode dissipation is 120 W total (60 W per system).

Used with both systems in parallel at the same operating point as the 6S33S, the 6S18S effectively doubles output power — theoretically 15–20 W SE Class A is achievable. However, the heater current demand doubles (7.2 A series / 14.4 A parallel per tube), and the thermal management challenge increases proportionally.

The main practical advantage of the 6S18S is the option of using only one triode system per channel in a reduced-power, extended-life mode — essentially running the tube at 50% of its maximum capability, which dramatically reduces thermal stress and extends service life.


7. Topology Choices: SE vs. Push-Pull

7.1 Single-Ended (SE)

The single-ended topology is by far the most commonly used with the 6S33S in audio applications, for good reason. The low internal resistance of the tube makes it relatively tolerant of the varying load impedance presented by real loudspeakers, and the second-harmonic distortion spectrum of a SE triode stage is musically benign. At the recommended conservative operating points, THD is typically 3–5% at full power, falling to below 1% at listening levels.

The sonic character described by the majority of constructors who have optimised SE 6S33S amplifiers is: powerful, controlled bass, good dynamic attack, somewhat rounded high-frequency detail. This character suits orchestral and acoustic music well. Some constructors find the upper midrange slightly less transparent than the best 300B or 2A3 designs.

7.2 Push-Pull (PP)

Push-pull configurations using the 6S33S are feasible and have been built successfully. The Sakuma-inspired PP topology using 6S33S-V tubes with 6S45P drivers has produced measured output powers of 25–33 W at 330 V / 200 mA per tube with acceptable distortion figures.

The primary challenge in PP operation is the matching of tube pairs. The 6S33S exhibits significant unit-to-unit variation in operating point and transconductance, and the thermal drift of individual tubes differs. Each tube in a PP output stage must have individual bias adjustment, and balance must be re-checked after every 10–20 hours of initial operation until the tubes have stabilised.

PP operation eliminates even-order distortion and the DC component in the output transformer, allowing a smaller, ungapped core and better bass extension for equivalent iron weight. Some constructors find the PP 6S33S more neutral in character than SE.


8. OTL (Output Transformerless) Configurations

Several constructors have attempted OTL amplifiers using the 6S33S, taking advantage of its low Ri and high current capability. The low internal resistance (~150 Ω) makes it theoretically more suitable for OTL than most triodes.

However, OTL designs demand very large numbers of tubes in parallel to drive typical loudspeaker impedances (4–8 Ω) with acceptable output impedance and damping factor. The thermal management, biasing, and matching requirements multiply accordingly. Practical experience with OTL 6S33S amplifiers is mixed — the consensus among experienced constructors is that while the tube is technically capable, the OTL topology with this tube has not consistently delivered the sonic quality achievable with a well-designed transformer-coupled SE amplifier.


9. Practical Construction Notes

Chassis: Adequate ventilation is not optional. Allow a minimum of 100–150 cm² of free ventilation area above each output tube. Perforated top plates or chimney ventilation are preferred. Forced ventilation (fans) introduces mechanical noise and is generally avoided in high-quality audio applications, but if used, must be isolated from the chassis to prevent vibration transmission.

Sockets: Ceramic only — PLK7-1 type with silver-plated contacts is the preferred choice. The socket takes the full mechanical and thermal stress of the tube. Inspect and replace sockets showing discolouration or deformation.

Wiring: Keep the heater supply wiring twisted tightly (minimum 1 turn per cm) from the heater transformer to the tube sockets. Route heater wiring away from signal wiring and at 90° where crossings are unavoidable.

Cathode bypass capacitors: High-quality electrolytics rated for 105°C operation are essential. Film capacitors in parallel with the electrolytic (1–10 µF polypropylene) improve high-frequency performance.

Grounding: Star ground topology referred to the input signal ground point. A separate star ground for power supply returns, connected to the signal ground at a single point.


10. Summary

The 6S33S is a demanding tube that rewards careful engineering with genuinely impressive sonic performance. It is not a beginner's tube, and it is not forgiving of inadequate power supply design, poor thermal management, or incorrect biasing.

The key conclusions from accumulated practical experience are:

  1. Auto-bias or combined auto/fixed bias is mandatory for reliable operation. Pure fixed bias is unreliable.
  2. Pre-1975 Svetlana military production is significantly more reliable than later civilian production.
  3. The optimal operating point for longevity and sound quality is Ua = 200 V, Ia = 180–200 mA.
  4. The driver stage is the most sonically critical design choice. The 6E5P in tetrode mode or the 6Zh52P are consistently recommended.
  5. The output transformer requires generous primary inductance (≥30 H) and adequate DC current tolerance (≥250 mA).
  6. Separate power supply filtering per channel, a warm-up delay relay, and ceramic tube sockets are not optional refinements — they are fundamental requirements.

When these conditions are met, the 6S33S can produce an amplifier of genuinely high quality — powerful, dynamic, and musically engaging in a way that justifies the considerable engineering effort required to realise its potential.



Wednesday, March 4, 2026

The Soviet 6N23P Tube: Princess, Cinderella, or Brazen Imposter?

 

The Soviet 6N23P Tube: Princess, Cinderella, or Brazen Imposter?

A Technical and Historical Investigation into One of the Most Controversial Soviet Valves

No Soviet valve provokes such heated debates on the internet today as the 6N23P. This tube is loved by some, declared worthless and poor-sounding by others, yet certain examples sell on eBay for $300 per piece—and buyers are found. What is the truth behind this controversial valve?


The Historical Context: Cold War Electronics and Soviet Ambitions

In the early 1960s, Western manufacturers developed and began mass-producing new models of radios and televisions using miniature valves with all-glass envelopes. The Soviet Union, driven by the official Communist Party slogan "to catch up with and overtake the USA," tasked Soviet designers with urgently developing a series of new miniature all-glass valves equivalent to Western designs.

Among the valves requiring immediate copying and domestic production was the E88CC.

The Challenge

By the early 1960s, the USSR was already producing double triodes including the 6N1P, 6N2P, 6N3P, and 6N5P. However, these clearly could not replace the Western E88CC, which was then widely used in televisions manufactured by Western companies.

Crucially, by the early 1960s, the USSR had stopped purchasing licenses from Western companies for radio valve production, preferring instead to steal valve designs—much as Russia steals modern Western technologies today.

An Impossible Task

Soviet designers received orders to develop a Soviet equivalent of the E88CC. The task proved extraordinarily difficult. The USSR could not fully replicate the E88CC design due to:

  • Lack of necessary materials
  • Absence of coating application technology for cathodes and grids using rare-earth and precious materials

Yet the Communist Party's order demanded mandatory completion. Only ten years had passed since Stalin's death, and during Stalin's rule, failure to execute Party directives meant lengthy imprisonment in Siberian labour camps.


The Centralized Soviet Electronics Industry

All radio factories, design bureaus for developing electronic equipment, and radio component facilities in the USSR operated under centralized subordination and management of the Ministry of Electronics Industry. This Ministry, on behalf of the state, managed all radio factories and radio-technical design bureaus, determining the development programme for new radio components and the production of radio components and devices.

In the early 1960s, the Ministry of Electronics Industry commissioned the development of an E88CC analogue valve.




Two Parallel Development Paths

Soviet designers began developing two different E88CC prototypes almost simultaneously:

1. The 6N23P-EV - A unique Soviet development with an original anode design that would later prove superior

2. The 6N23P - A simplified version of the E88CC maintaining similar anode shape, which entered mass production first




The "Prototype" Period (1963-1966)



In 1963, the first experimental industrial batches of 6N23P were produced at the Reflektor factory in Saratov. These early variants, sometimes called "Prototype" (Опытная in Russian), differed externally from subsequent familiar 6N23P valves by having an additional cover above the anodes, to which a round getter plate was attached.

These early valves exhibited excellent stable characteristics and fully corresponded to E88CC parameters.

At that time, the USSR State Standard for the 6N23P valve was approved. In the Soviet valve reference book edited by Katelson, the 6N23P and Western E88CC are listed as equivalent valves with matching characteristics.




Recognition and Awards

According to Wikipedia, on 29 July 1966, for achievements in creating and producing new radio valves including the 6N23P, the Reflektor factory and its design bureau were awarded the Order of Lenin—one of the highest awards in the USSR that could be given to a factory and design bureau. Along with this, 80 enterprise workers received government awards including the Order of Lenin, Order of the Red Banner of Labour, Order of the Badge of Honour, and medals "For Labour Valour" and "For Labour Distinction."

Due to the need for large-scale valve production, design documentation was additionally transferred to another radio factory, Voskhod, in Kaluga. The Voskhod factory, together with Reflektor, began producing the 6N23P.


The Catastrophic Turn: When Materials Ran Out

The story seemed destined for a happy ending, but it was not to be. After completing the first production batches of 6N23P in 1966, it became clear that further production of the valve was actually impossible.

The imported materials purchased abroad for producing the first batches had run out. New purchases of these materials during the Cold War were impossible due to lack of foreign currency.

The "Solution": Simplification and Degradation

At the Ministry's demand, designers at the Reflektor design bureau modified the 6N23P design. The construction was significantly simplified, and structural elements began to be manufactured from materials available in the USSR.

At the end of 1966, the first simplified 6N23P valves were produced:

  • The top cover to which the getter plate was attached was removed
  • The getter was mounted by other means
  • The external appearance changed to resemble the well-known 6N23P we recognize today

Consequences of Simplification

The simplification of the 6N23P design and use of low-quality materials resulted in unstable valve quality. This manifested primarily in a large variation in cathode emission values. At low anode voltages, situations often arose where the cathode's emissive capacity was insufficient to achieve the anode current specified in the datasheet.


The Ministry's Desperate Response: The 6N23P-EV

Understanding that 6N23P valves made from Soviet materials could never guarantee E88CC parameters, the Ministry was forced to initiate production of a different concept valve called the 6N23P-EV. This was a completely different valve representing a unique Soviet development with an original anode design and a range of other materials.

Unfortunately, the 6N23P-EV was significantly more expensive to produce than the 6N23P. Therefore, the Ministry decided to produce both valves:

  • 6N23P - For consumer radio equipment (televisions, radios) where high quality wasn't required
  • 6N23P-EV - Exclusively for military equipment

During many years working with 6N23P valves, tens of thousands of copies passed through my hands, and I saw military quality control stamps on these valves only a few times.





The Fraud: Unprecedented Evidence

You might say this is fraud—selling valves manufactured in violation of USSR State Standards (Technical Conditions). And you would be absolutely right! The Ministry understood this perfectly and also understood that exposing this fraud could result in criminal cases and imprisonment. The USSR had very strict laws, and these laws were enforced.

The Smoking Gun: The L3-3 Tube Tester Mystery

In the 1970s, only one tube tester model was produced in the USSR: the L3-3. Tube testers manufactured in capitalist countries were absolutely unavailable. The few hundred Polish tube testers P507 (508) present in the USSR could also be disregarded.




Here is the extraordinary evidence:

In the L3-3 instruction manual, the 6N23P and 6N23P-EV valves are absent from the valve list. I can provide pages from the L3-3 manual with the triode list for you to verify this yourself.

If you assume that the 6N23P (6N23P-EV) is mentioned on another page, I must disappoint you. These valves are not mentioned in the manual at all. For sceptics, I'm prepared to send you a PDF of the complete L3-3 manual so you can verify this fact.

But Now the Most Interesting Part

Among the measuring cards supplied with the L3-3, a card for testing the 6N23P-EV is included.

Attention! This card is not in the list of valves that the tester can check.

Notice the small square printed on the card. According to the L3-3 manual, this square means that this valve is tested NOT in accordance with USSR State Standards (Technical Production Conditions).

But what exactly doesn't comply with the standard? The card indicates 6N23P-EV testing parameters that match the datasheet from Katelson's reference book.






The Only Logical Explanation: Systematic Fraud

The facts presented above can have only one logical explanation:

A valve produced in series with tens of thousands of units cannot be tested in accordance with the datasheet because a significant percentage of these valves will show non-compliance with the datasheet. According to USSR rules, such valves were obliged to be returned to the manufacturer for replacement with working copies. But the factory doesn't produce valves meeting the datasheet specifications.

Some unknown genius from the Ministry, instead of solving the problem with poorly-functioning 6N23P valves, devised a "brilliant" solution that undoubtedly has criminal undertones:

  1. The Ministry orders designers who developed the L3-3 tester documentation to remove the card for testing this valve
  2. Since 6N23P valves still require testing, but the Ministry refused to bear responsibility for defects, a card for the 6N23P-EV is included in the tester documentation package
  3. For additional insurance, the 6N23P-EV card indicates that testing is performed NOT at parameters specified in the datasheet

Thus, the manufacturer could legally refuse to exchange a "defective" valve for a good one, and the Ministry and factories under the Ministry's subordination avoid any criminal liability for producing defective products.

Remember: several tens of thousands of 6N23P valves were produced monthly in the USSR.


My Personal Testing Experience: The Statistical Evidence

This hypothesis is supported by my own experience. When testing 100 pieces of new 6N23P valves on a tester, only 30-40 pieces corresponded to the parameters indicated in the 6N23P-EV datasheet.

Over many years of work with 6N23P, several tens of thousands of copies passed through my hands. When testing factory packages of 6N23P in quantities of 100-300 pieces, I consistently obtained statistics showing approximately half of the 6N23P valves did not meet datasheet specifications.


The Technical Reality: Why 6N23P Cannot Replace E88CC at Low Voltages

The main feature of the E88CC is its ability to effectively amplify signals at low plate voltages. Thus, at standard anode voltage, E88CC can be used in a cascode stage where two triodes are connected in series for direct current. Western valve parameters are standardized at plate voltages as low as 60 volts, with testing performed at voltages of 90-110 volts.

Despite the task set by Soviet ministries, Soviet designers never managed to create a full-fledged analogue of E88CC ~ 6DJ8. The culprits were:

  • Insufficiently good cathode materials
  • Changed plate and grid geometry compared to E88CC

All these factors prevented achieving guaranteed stable cathode emission at 100-volt plate voltages.

The Factory's "Solution": Change the Specifications

Unable to admit their limited technological production capabilities (for fear of persecution of management), the factories found an original solution: On the recommendation of designers who developed the 6N23P, designers of new equipment were recommended to use the 6N23P valve with anode voltage above 160 volts.

At this time, the USSR was already producing the 6N1P valve, which works excellently at such voltages and has the same pinout as the 6N23P. Such a solution may seem absurd, but not for the USSR. The design bureaus that developed the 6N23P and the factories that produced it removed responsibility for the low quality of their work and probably even received bonuses for developing new products.

But this fact did not make the 6N23P any better.


The Prohibition: No Military or Industrial Use

Because 6N23P valves had an astoundingly large parameter spread (plate current and transconductance S), the Ministry of Radio Electronics Industry prohibited the use of 6N23P in industrial, measuring, and military equipment. In the USSR, the 6N23P valve was used exclusively in unified tube televisions and nowhere else.


The Genuine Article: 6N23P-EV

For industrial and military applications to replace E88CC, the USSR developed a completely new valve: the 6N23P-EV. Usually, the EV index at the end of the name indicates valve refinements, but the 6N23P and 6N23P-EV are completely different valves. These valves have different anode designs, which is clearly visible in photographs.

Despite the small change in name with two letters EV at the end, this is a completely different valve, and it truly can replace E88CC at any anode voltage value—something the ordinary 6N23P cannot do.


Can You Imagine This Happening in the West?

Can you imagine a similar situation in the West? A valve produced in millions of copies with no testing programme available for it?

I believe such a situation would have been impossible in the West.


Conclusions: The Truth About 6N23P

The 6N23P story is one of:

  • Compromised engineering forced by material limitations
  • Systematic fraud to conceal manufacturing failures
  • Government complicity in producing substandard components
  • Dual standards: excellent 6N23P-EV for military use, poor 6N23P for civilians

For Modern Valve Users

If you're considering using 6N23P valves:

  1. Understand they are NOT direct E88CC equivalents at voltages below 150V
  2. Expect only 30-40% to meet original specifications
  3. Use them at anode voltages above 160V for best results
  4. If you need true E88CC performance, seek out 6N23P-EV examples (though these are rare and expensive)
  5. Test every valve individually—parameter variation is enormous

Alternative Hypothesis?

If you can propose another hypothesis for why this situation occurred, please write to me. I welcome alternative explanations based on evidence.




For more unexpected secrets of Soviet tubes, visit my blog at https://ussr-tubes.blogspot.com

Tuesday, August 6, 2024

Battle between vintage tubes. Western 12AX7/ECC83/ or Soviet 6n2p. Who wins? The consumer!

Today's market price of vintage 12AX7/ECC83 tubes is very high. Let's analyze whether 6n2p tubes can be used as an inexpensive replacement for 12AX7/ECC83.

I do not write here about Chinese 6n2 tubes and consider only vintage 6n2p tubes made in the USSR in 1950, 60, 70, 80 and 90s.

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Did you know that the USSR did not produce analogs of Western 12AX7/ECC83/ tubes?

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The answer to this riddle turned out to be unexpectedly simple. As one of the old Soviet tube designers wrote in his memoirs, the USSR could not produce a rigid 12 volt heater filament of the same thickness. (In the 12AX7/ECC83 tubes, each triode inside the cylinder has a 6 volt heater and the two heater filaments are connected in series.)

In the USSR When trying to assemble a 12 volt heater line at a mass production plant, engineers encountered a problem where one triode in the cylinder had an “overheated” cathode and the second triode in the cylinder had a "cool" cathode. 

The way out of this situation was to connect the 2 heater filaments in parallel. This technical solution had several advantages, the main of which was compatibility with the 6 volt line heater of other tubes in the amplifier (TV, amplifier, appliance) and the possibility of using one 6 volt transformer winding to supply the driver and output tubes.




As is well known, the 6n2p tube has very close parameters with the 12AX7/ECC83, but differs with a 6 volt heater and slightly lower gain. You can use the 6n2p in approximately the same modes as the 12AX7/ECC83. But the lowest level of odd harmonics in the 6n2p tube is achieved at 1.4 -1.8 volt bias. In this case, the level of the 2nd harmonic will be about - 30 dB, the level of the 3rd harmonic less than -60 dB






In the USSR 6n2p tubes were produced at 2 factories Reflektor (Saratov) and Voskhod (Kaluga).

Reflektor factory logo (triode picture). Logo of Voskhod factory (Raketa). In the early version, the Raketa logo is much larger in size.





I have rarely come across tubes made in the 50's at Foton (Tashkent) - Rhombus logo and Tantal (Saratov) with the old factory logo in the form of a hexagon. But you are unlikely to find such tubes on sale. Photo of rare tubes below:








A common criterion for assessing the sound quality of tubes is the date of their production. In the USSR, tubes made in 1950-60 do sound better than newer ones. But if tubes made in the early or mid 70's sound very good, and sometimes just like their older brothers from the 60's, tubes made in the 80's always sound worse.


But besides the years of production, the sound quality of 6n2p depends on their design. The 6n2p tubes were produced in several different designs and these tubes sound completely different.


The first design is the tubes in the picture below.




These are the simplest sounding tubes, can have a wide range of parameters of halves and I recommend using them only in 2 cases: 

1) when budgets are very limited 

2) when used in guitar amplifiers.


Tubes of this design sound rather stiff with characteristic metallic notes of transistor amplifiers. But sometimes you may even like this sound!


There is one modification of these tubes with stiffening ribs on the anode. This is an early 6n2p design that sounds better, but nevertheless this tube is not as good as the ones described below.






I sell 6n2p tubes in lots, 4, 6, 8, 16, 32 pcs each. Please look at these links and find what you need. 


https://www.ebay.com/itm/175640519099


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174217820551


https://www.ebay.com/itm/175438349467


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174816851141


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174348054264




You can also order used 6n2p tubes from my store without hesitation. I test each tube and the parameters of used tubes are within factory tolerances on 6n2p. Buying used tubes is a great solution if you are on a tight budget.


I show listings with different numbers of used 6n2p tubes below:

(16pcs, 32pcs)


https://www.ebay.com/itm/175734984249


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174822635337



Another 6n2p tube design is visually very different from the 6n2p regular tube. Inside the cylinder you can see 2 horizontal mica plates (caps) over the anodes and silver coated anodes. These tubes sound much better than the regular 6n2p tubes. The gain of tubes with silver anodes is also slightly higher than conventional 6n2p tubes. The name 6n2p, 6n2p-B, 6n2p-E. 6n2p-E. Regardless of the name, these are exactly the same tubes. Tubes with indices B and E at the end of the name according to the manufacturer's specification have increased durability, but it is hardly possible to check this statement today. The 6n2p tube has a life of over 5 000 hours and a low price, so there is little need for extended life tubes.








Sometimes 6n2p tubes were produced with gray anodes, but also with twin mica wings.  

Such tubes are produced in the 50's and 60's and I have not specifically investigated their sound, but the S and anode current of these tubes are the same as those with silver anode tubes. There are also other rare 6n2p designs. For example with silver anodes but without top mica caps.

See photo of these rare designs below:






I sell 6n2p tubes with silver anode in lots of 6 and 32, but you can always order with other number of tubes. Message me if you would like this.

See lots of 6pcs and 16pcs tubes below:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174822645694


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174915591250



In 1970, the USSR changed the state standard for tube labeling. Tubes with silver anode began to be labeled as 6n2p-EV. This is the long-lasting and most publicized version of the 6n2p design. In the first years, the internal design of these tubes completely coincided with the design of tubes described above. But then one of the plates (covers) from mica began to make a smaller diameter. I put on the photo 2 types of these tubes of different years of production.

6n2p-EV tubes are more expensive than 6n2p tubes with silver anode, but the sound of these tubes is approximately the same.





You can buy 6n2p-EV from me in lots of 10 pcs.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/174668809470


Below I put some circuit diagrams of 6n2p tubes and datasheet for 6n2p and 6n2p-EV tubes in Russian. (note that the manufacturer allows a very large variation of S !!!)



Conclusion

To use 6n2p instead of 12AX7/ECC83 you will need to adapter the heater to the 6 volt line or use a Chinese adapter bought on Ebay for 1 or 2 USD.


If you have any questions about using 6n2p tubes, please post me in the comments.


Also, you can buy a variety of vintage tubes from the USSR and not only in my Ebay store.


https://www.ebay.com/str/kievchurchshop


























Thursday, December 28, 2023

WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT OTK

Many vintage Soviet valves have obscure OTK symbols on them. Sometimes these symbols are in blue or green paint, less often red or silver paint is used. Sometimes, but not always, after the letters OTK are numbers 5, 7,9, 11, 71 or others.

Sellers of valves on Ebay take advantage of the lack of information from Western buyers and call OTK valves military and on this basis increase the selling price.

But is it true? Let's look into it.

Abbreviation OTK is translated from Russian into English as "Technical Control Department".





A valve that passed quality control was labeled OTK. Very often, to save time, a single inscription could be applied to a paper label inside the package in the honeycomb box. If the valve was delivered in an individual paper box, the stamp could be placed on the cardboard box and not on the valve cylinder.


Valves labeled OTK approximate the Western standard of Industrial Grade. Immediately after quality control, 99.9% of such valves were good functional. However, these valves were not tested according to military standards and we can only speak about the average quality of such valves. The quality of valves without OTK and with OTK was approximately the same until the mid-80s. But after the beginning of Gorbachev's perestroika at the end of the 80's the quality of the valves fell and the quality of OTK-printed valves became much higher than the quality regular valves. 


For military purposes in the USSR used valves passed the control of the military department.  Such valves were stamped OTK-5, which corresponds to the military “5 acceptance (standart)” in the USSR. These valves are much better than the OTK stamped valves and undoubtedly indicate the original military purpose of the valves.





After a valve from the manufacturer's factory with OTK-5 stamp was delivered to a military hardware factory, an incoming quality control was performed.

Such valves were stamped with a diamond-shaped stamp with a small inscription ВП (russian) and an asterisk.

Of course, not all "military" valves have such a rhombus, but the presence of a rhombus indicates a high level of testing valves.





If a military valve came to the warehouse of a military plant but was not used immediately or during the first year of storage, after a few years such valves were additionally tested and stamped with the date (in Russian, ПЕРЕВЕРЕН).





Very often for military purposes were used special varieties of valves, which were forbidden in the USSR to use in household equipment. Such valves were labeled after the name with the symbol B, E, DR. In 1970, the USSR state standard came out, which replaced the symbols B or E with the symbol EV. But while valves with the symbol B or E indicate a purebred military origin, valves with symbols EV were used for military equipment and for responsible industrial equipment.

Also, tubes with the DR index after the name were almost always used in military equipment. In the USSR there was a legal ban on the use of tubes with gold leads in civilian industry and household equipment.


But testing of valves according to military standards (OTK-5) did not satisfy the space and nuclear industry of the USSR.

Therefore, for the space industry, testing according to military acceptance standards OTK-9 was used. There is a difference in the quality of OTK-9 valves compared to OTK-5 valves.

Among the valves with OTK-9 symbols there are a lot of valves with 100-200 operating hours of anodic voltage pre-aging. Such valves have dark or mirror spots inside the cylinder and can be mistaken for used valves. This is especially noticeable for 6E5P, 6J5p, 6n6p, 5C4s, and other valves


For special purposes, for example for the use of valves in naval equipment, a special OTK mark was placed together with the ship's anchor symbol.


For the nuclear/power industry, the USSR produced special analogs of octal tubes.   (with different tube names).

So the analog of the 6p6s valve was the 1515 valve (in a transparent cylinder!)

So the analog of 6n9s was tube 1579.

For the tube 6n8s was produced analog tube 1578  

Note: the peculiarity of the valve 1578 was in the maximum symmetry of triodes, minimum microphone effect, smaller Ua max = 275V and smaller Pa max = 1,5W.

The same differences between conventional and nuclear tube modifications existed for all tube types.


OTK 7, 11, 71, 90.... stamps were put on tubes that had been tested in accordance with the requirements of a military industry, such as the Navy Submarine Fleet or the Air Force. But I don't know the names of branch customers and numbering after OTK symbols (7, 11, 71, 90 others), but undoubtedly these valves have better quality factory execution and tested according to more complex programs.

 







If you have any questions for me, please post in the comments. I will be happy to answer you.


Very often tubes for military equipment were painted with a bold dot on the cylinder head or painted with red or yellow paint on the top point (tip) of the cylinder rather than stamped OTK. This was done if the tubes were packed in honeycomb packaging.







The USSR produced dampers in tropical version intended for operation in friendly countries of Africa (Angola), Cuba, Asia (Vietnam, Korea, China, Bangladesh). Octal valves for tropical version always had brown color of carbolite base.








In 1967, the USSR began to use the "Quality Mark of the USSR". Tubes labeled with this mark met the highest standards of the USSR, but it is not necessarily the case that these tubes had a military purpose. In most cases, the "USSR Quality Mark" was put on products for household and industrial purposes.










In addition to the types of OTK I mentioned, there were several types of symbols and badges that indicate special types of military-technical quality control. But such tubes are not so common on Ebay, so I will not dwell on it in the blog. If you want to know about your tube with unclear seals on the cylinder, then write me in the comments and send me a photo. I will do my best to answer your question.






Very often I am asked a question about the difference in the sound of tubes with military marks. Indeed for some types of tubes such difference was noticed by me (for example for pentodes 6J9p-e, 6J49p-DR, 6n2p-V). But very often I can not distinguish the sound of "military" and "civilian" tubes. In the USSR there were factories that produced mainly military products, for example SVETLANA factory. But in the 80's there was a state ban on the use of gold and rare earth materials for tube grids and the sound quality of tubes from different factories became approximately the same.


I am sure that the main difference between tubes with OTK and tubes without OTK is reliability and durability, not the difference in sound.


In the last years of the USSR, it was very common for military warehouses to store tubes in bulk, because in the 1980s, tube production had all but stopped, and warehouses did not have enough space to store tubes in their factory packages.

If you see a tube with a shallow scratch on the glass, it was often stored in a crate in a warehouse for decades and this may indirectly indicate the industrial or military origin of the tube.


You can always buy a variety of tubes in my Ebay store. About 30% of the tubes sold in my store have OTK stamp:


https://www.ebay.com/str/kievchurchshop


I also mark tubes that have passed a particularly careful inspection with my own red labels.


If you want to get tubes that have been especially carefully inspected, please let me know in the comments of your order.












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